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Author Topic:  Off topic -> Community-driven board(s)  (Read 19082 times)

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Kaze_Senshi

« Reply #15 on: 06, January 2008, 07:02:07 »
Ahhh if you will a language board, please put the Portuguese language in it, i saw some brazilians in the game, and i think that is good to make some boards abouts birthdays and pics from players, so you can catch this pics, and change the pic of the day in the main site, that pics doesnt show many things about the game for the visitants
True bravery isn't the absence of fears, but knowing how to face your fears

smacky

« Reply #16 on: 06, January 2008, 13:43:23 »
Well not really just to make less work for mods (arguably it won't do this anyway), but also to give the community more self-determination. So, for example, it doesn't fall to me or Longir or whoever to impose our opinions on what is and is not acceptable for the community to discuss. Rather the community can make this decision itself.

It might not work. Perhaps as a whole people need a recognisable authority to tell them what to do. I'd like to think not, but the worst that can happen is the end of civilization as we know it, so what have we got to lose?

grommit

« Reply #17 on: 06, January 2008, 14:41:30 »
Anybody know what www.sendspace.com is? It just tried to set a cookie on my computer when I opened this thread.

Kaze_Senshi

« Reply #18 on: 06, January 2008, 17:17:23 »
Hehehe, sendspace is a upload site, this site doesnt have virus, i tryed to put a image from this site link, but didnt work, i'll fix it now :D
True bravery isn't the absence of fears, but knowing how to face your fears

longir

« Reply #19 on: 06, January 2008, 17:45:29 »
@Anchakor:  The new website is nearly finished and MT exported these forums to it.  The changes planned are listed in the root post:  per language boards, board request board, and topic specific boards.  The addition is the ability of community members to moderate the off-topic forum (self-policing community).

I have been admittedly lax in moderating for quite a while now, but I have other things on my mind/occupying my time.  I'm sure other mods have demands on their time as well.  Giving the community a voice in what happens is not a bad thing (imo), but the final decision will still rest with the global moderators/admins.
DM
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Frostyglen

« Reply #20 on: 07, January 2008, 07:52:54 »
I've typed this post 5 times now, and erased it and started over each time. Everytime I get done, it sounds too critical and negative, and I do try to be positive about most things.

  Change is a good thing, but isn't this just changing the problem around a little? isn't it just switching the job of moderating the forums from what it is, to moderating the moderators moderations ( now that's a mouthfull )?

  Or is this more of an experiment into what the community can handle on it's own?
It is very dark....you are likely to be eaten by a grue.

Anich

« Reply #21 on: 07, January 2008, 12:40:04 »
We probably see all the side effects of the situation, thinking up worse case scenarios and such. But really, I think this gives a chance for the community to have their very own input in responsibility. So yeah ... it sounds pretty experimental, but it's worth a shot IMO. :)

Frostyglen, I see your point. But because the Off topic forums is community based, we (the community) are looking at making it the community's responsibility.

http://www.daimonin.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1334 - this thread was made solely for people to show their pics. However, I think there should be a "About me" board where people can introduce/say stuff about themselves (I think the "My pic" thread should merge with this). Another suggestion is to have a board where people can talk about educative things, or nonfictional history (although I think these might fall into the category of Topic specific).

Otherwise, those are my ideas for a constructive purpose. ;)

Cheers,
Anich
Some of you may remember me in-game as Stcrisis.

longir

« Reply #22 on: 07, January 2008, 12:40:59 »
@Frosty:  Dunno about you, but I know English and can pick out a few words from a couple other languages.  Should we recruit someone that can speak a language for moderating one specific board or should we let those that speak that language fluently and use that board handle it?  The same with the rest of off-topic but let the community decide what is acceptable on it.  In a way, it's the forum equivalent of Vol, GM, DM (community off-topic moderation, global moderators, admins).

EDIT:  Sorry if it sounds harsh, it's earlier than my usual wakeup time and I only have a few sips of *instant* coffee in me.
DM
Dev Team Member
Site Admin

Mostly retired from playing

smacky

« Reply #23 on: 07, January 2008, 12:46:08 »
2nd one. Big mods (and Theoris) will still handle all the forums, except OT (or however we organise it). Big mods (and Theoris) still can moderate OT and indeed the more powerful moderation (such as deleting/editing individual posts and replying to locked topics can only be done by big mods (and Theoris).

The idea is to have, as near as possible, genuine community-centred community boards where, within reason, the community talks about what and how the community likes. Of course this was always the intention of OT in the first place and that hasn't exactly been an overwhelming success (a large number of posts are just about Daimonin anyway and should be in DG or MSG or something and a sizeable proportion of others are complete crap. But sometimes it is used as it was intended.

It's kind of interesting how underused it is, considering the kickups over freedome of speech and various high-falutin' topics of discussion this time last year.

Anyway, despite the lukewarm reception I am thinking, rather than to abandon the idea, to give the community more control over the board(s) by making them largely community-moderated. Chances are the increased permissions will also go nowhere in the end, or lead to a few people storming around officiously 'moderating' everything in sight, or just lead to utter chaos as everyone works against everyone else. I guess we'll see.

EDIT: And what Longir said.

Anich

« Reply #24 on: 07, January 2008, 13:04:47 »
Quote from: "Smacky"
Chances are the increased permissions will also go nowhere in the end, or lead to a few people storming around officiously 'moderating' everything in sight, or just lead to utter chaos as everyone works against everyone else. I guess we'll see.
If OT mod powers are handed out to random people, then yes this is bound to happen. Therefore I think it is crucial to only hand out OT mod powers to familiar, reasonably responsible people - before submitting OT mod powers to someone, make a vote/pole to what the community thinks about that person being granted OT mod powers. This means that this will also be based on your social reputation. It will be dangerous to hand out such powers to flamers and spammers. (We could probably split this one into a board?)

Cheers,
Anich
Some of you may remember me in-game as Stcrisis.

smacky

« Reply #25 on: 07, January 2008, 13:43:08 »
Well there are three ways to do this as I see it:[list=1]
  • Base it on post counts. The idea is that, generally, more posts = more trusted/dedicated member of the community. The question isl what is a 'golden number' of posts?
  • Base it on polls as you've suggested.
  • SMF gives posters a 'karma', starting at 0. Other posters can then smite (karma -1) or applaud (karma +1) the first poster, supposedly on the basis of a particular post. Thus it is like an informal poll on that poster (it literally is a popularity indicator) so we could says x karma gets you y permission. But thiis also means the permissions can subsequently be lost (as you are smited).[/list:o]
    The problems with #2 and #3 are that:
    • IDK if it is possible to automatically assign permission on these bases. Having to do it manually is a hassle for the administrators.
    • These are popularity contests whereas #1 is a (imperfect) suitability test.
    All three methods are of course open to abuse.

    A fourth possibility is to give certain members (perhaps decided with one of the methods above) very limited admin powers (SMF can do this I think) and then have them elect OT mods. But really this is just repeating the situation we have now, in miniature.

    I prefer #1 because it means anyone can achieve the permissions. However, I also find the idea that the community can remove permissions (ie, #3) quite appealing.

    Anyway, in the end we need to make whatever method is used nice and simple, or no-one will boother.

    I missed your post after Frost:
    Quote from: "ANICH"

    http://www.daimonin.com/index.php?name= ... amp;t=1334 - this thread was made solely for people to show their pics. However, I think there should be a "About me" board where people can introduce/say stuff about themselves (I think the "My pic" thread should merge with this). Another suggestion is to have a board where people can talk about educative things, or nonfictional history (although I think these might fall into the category of Topic specific).

    This can, and I think will, be handled in a much better way than a forum thread on the new site. :)

ThePlaneskeeper

« Reply #26 on: 07, January 2008, 16:17:38 »
Smacky: can you do a combination of 1 and 3?

Say they need 150 posts in a board to me an OT moderator in that board.  AND they need a karma of 50+..  Or something...

smacky

« Reply #27 on: 07, January 2008, 17:09:38 »
Yes, I will find out more about #2 and #3 (and combining the methods) tonight (unless I don't ;)).

Anchakor

« Reply #28 on: 07, January 2008, 17:11:07 »
As experiment it sounds fun...
Anyway I don't think it will result in greater freedom of speech, because it would be rule of majority...
Also for example what if die hard republican and die hard democrat meet on forums, each deleting the other ones posts (possibly hundreds a day or even more)?
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smacky

« Reply #29 on: 07, January 2008, 17:38:35 »
Then die hard big mods (or Theoris) step in and kick arse. :)

There is also a 'call a moderator' button on each post (or thread maybe) so any member can easily bring something to the attention of a big mod (or Theoris) if the community really can't cope with itself.

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