I've been working on some changes to how procedural dungeon loot scaling works. The current system isn't really sustainable at high tiers both on a technical and a game balance basis.

Currently each tier adds a treasurelist call to every monster in the dungeon. There is a very limited list of possible treasurelist calls, but a good amount of variety in the treasurelists themselves. However, it relies on quantity of loot generations which results in a bad ratio of junk loot to good loot.

With the new loot generation, each dungeon tier has a chance to perform an additional treasurelist call. However, the odds of adding another TL call go down severely with higher tiers, so players at the highest accessible tiers will generally see a maximum of around 8-10 TL calls on each mob.

Each of these TL calls may randomly be equipment, money, generic wealth, etc. Each of these categories then has "Loot Vectors" which scale the TL call. Equipment has Loot Vectors for drop chance, artifact chance, magic chance/magic, and material. Money's only Loot Vectors are drop chance and stack size.

Each tier scales a random Loot Vector for a random TL call on each mob. This, combined with the diminishing returns on the number of TL calls, results in biasing loot towards a much, much smaller number of better equipment items at higher tiers.

The changes thus far are live on Main now, so please provide feedback as you play through procedural dungeons. I've reset all procedural dungeon progress, as difficulty scaling has also been adjusted (most importantly, mob spell damage scales with tier now) and I would like to see what tier players can get to with the new scaling.

I was hoping to bait Rtt into playing again so he would try get to tier 170 or even 200, now its no longer possible.

With the loot changes, I am all for them because there was too much worthless loot that took space, mostly basic armors and copper but I am wondering does this influence weapon drops negatively? One of the main reasons I was farming dungeons was for superior attack weapons and other random drops.

From what I remember but it may be wrong, when basic items drop they get a roll for a stat so it would be quite bad If we couldn't get rolls for these items as much with new loot system because they are quite rare.

Hi Clobber Glad we've found you.

Well I've got a few more updates I'm working on so maybe Rtt will come back when I've done a bit more. No, as a whole this change should result in better equipment drops than previously. Obviously the game doesn't know that you want a forged meteoric steel greatsword +5 of superior damage, but you'll see more similar gear.

Let's say you're in tier 50.

Previously, you'd get 50 chances at random drops which were only slightly better than loot you could get in Maus, GT, UC, wherever. A lot of these random drops were also just copper and/or silver, or other junk. This effectively meant killing mobs at high tiers was just multiplying the number of mobs you killed versus at lower tiers or in the rest of the game.

Under the new system, you get 50 "Loot Points". I don't know the exact numbers, but this probably correlates with something like 6 extra "Bonus Drops" (with some random variance). Your 50 Loot Points are spent randomly upgrading your 6 Bonus Drops. Some of your bonus drops may be coins or junk, but if you roll 1 or more weapons in your Bonus Drops, approximately 8 Loot Points will be put towards improving the drop chance, artifact chance, magic chance/magic bonus, and material for each of those weapons.

We can also give multiplicative scaling to loot generation, so I can for example add a side boss or loot chest which drops, on average, significantly better weapons (or, significantly more weapons, or even better pants) than would likely be found elsewhere in the dungeon.

Right now I'm working on a big update to biome generation, since I've been putting off adding more dungeons until multi-biome generation works better.