Well, it seems sourceforge's reputation is going down more and more.

If you ask me, they have lost it - mainly to github and other newer dev sites.

ATM, sourceforge download is blocked by uBlock, the biggest malware blocker for chrome..

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Badware-risks

http://www.information-age.com/industry/software/123459675/hotbed-malware-another-blow-sourceforge-google-discovers-588-pages-malicious-software
https://blog.l0cal.com/2015/06/02/what-happened-to-sourceforge/


Well, another reason to move at some point, we noticed the quality problem at SF already.

Update: ok, this read is pretty bad: http://www.myce.com/news/downloading-from-sourceforge-official-links-deliver-fakes-also-76749/

Yes, pretty bad.

Well I had (too generously it seems) thought sf's many service problems over the past few years were basically down to it facing major competition from github and therefore upgrading it's systems to meet that competition. But in doing so it was also accentuating its own weaknesses in its old systems (or where the old doesn't play nicely with the new). So I've been thinking 'give it time, it'll sort itself out in the end'.

But clearly sf has become some combination of malicious and incompetent as well as facing strong competition.

Well, although I am fond of svn if only because of its relative simplicity (but also think git is pretty cool), IMO we should now leave sf ASAP.

IIUC the malware/adware/etc only affect downloads. As of this year we now host all binary downloads of any note on daimonin.org anyway so at least you should only get what we've uploaded.

I do not think its a problem anymore, git allows now pretty much all licences including even half commercial ones and projects where anon users have no access.

Yes, github allows under the hood alot different stuff. Look into the latest Unreal Engine, which comes even with a forced royalities licence on github.

But about the point of the cloning: That is exactly what people did all the time with our old SF repository. All this licences are BS when you do not have the instruments and backing (through commercial laws for example) to invoke the laws. In easy words: You must have the cash and the people.

The point is: Beside some very radical situations nothing will happens - not the OS "community/orgs" will help you and not local authorities. It just gives you some instruments for your own lawyers and actions.

And serious - even when you do or just make it public - they will frame *us* for being the "non OS guys".
Its a non win situation. That is why its so often abused and even clearly commercial parts are ignored -
you gain nothing but alot public bashing. Nintendo & Sony are 2 of the few companies in gaming who do it and both have suffered by it more IMHO as they gained.

There is only ONE counter and we already did it - we put only in the open repo what is really open. The main engine IS there so anyone can use it, fork it and extend it. We all love to see it used in different projects and its complete ok they call it then their work.

What must be avoided, and we tweaked the SF already in that way, is that we put "Daimonin" as game in the repo.
We have there this one example ... we know it.

I spend alot brainstorming in the last years how that can be done and i have a pretty good working setup.

I have there a good solution i will explain later.

What are we doing with this? I've just got a new laptop so am setting up my Daimonin stuff but wonder if it would be a good time to migrate so I can avoid sourceforge and get the new programmes etc.

Good question. I'd personally recommend doing it soon. I'd definitely like a provider with a private repo (or at the very least, for the time being, another private repo on our servers) so that I can stash the MySQL stuff there.

I think we should change to gitlab it's more free than github and also allows private repositories for free.
The change to git would also ease contributions to the project for new developers as something like pull requests does not really exist in svn/sf afaik.