off topic: i just noticed your avatar and i think it touches advertising. second opinion would help, but still...

Hmm I can see where you're coming from with the idea Killall, but...GT is supposed to be along them lines. Only with the overpowered gears that drop elsewhere in the game it's become fairly easy to solo. Admittedly it's weak compared to raids, so it's not an exact comparison. The other problem is that using this idea would mean that people would try and camp for the items, which is something a lot of people want to see taken out of the game where ever possible.
On the plus side, the idea of having a totally overpowered dungeon IMO is good. Somewhere where the mobs are near raid strength, and where the best players are pretty much guaranteed to die. Maybe a group-instanced map? And/or a solo-instanced map? Or would none-instanced maps be better? In an 'open' map I think mobs would have to be spaced out a lot more than they are in GT, although getting harder in level the same way. Fast spawns or slow spawns? This whole idea could be trickier than it initially sounds, I think some experimentation may be needed to find out what works best for an overpowered dungeon. It's entirely possible that 2 or 3 different styles end up being wanted.
This might be a project to start on the Dev server, I'd like to get around to it myself but I'll have to see how things go at the moment.

know thats an idea evilasa a dungeon that is so hard that no one can possibly easily solo.  i know some people dont like groups and all but it is really fun to group up with some people and just kill stuff.  maybe ill learn map maker and try it out. 


oh also to the reference to my avatar its a band now i could see if it was for another game then i wouldnt put it up.

oh ya just thought of something maybe we can introduce a benefical boost to like exp from mobs when people group together to kill say you get the boost if your all withing 10 lvls  of each other 

Even with "unbeatable solo dungeons", there will be people with DM-made gear or much older players that would defy that law. However, there could be things where you must press 5 switches, have the 6th member go through a gate, and let the other 5 people in... Maybe I should go back to a certain mapset that I was working on...

well were still in beta once we either get whiped or the server is out of beta there shouldnt be any people that defy the laws of the game only people that should do that are DM's and GM's no one else so that takes care of that problem.

Doubt it. In every game there is some GM who has a friend who gets him to give him crazy items, then that friend tells his friend, who tells his friend, who tells his friend, who tells another GM "please will you do it? This GM did for my friend", then the GM decides to do it... now there are several people who use or sell these items... Daimonin will be better, but not perfect.

agreed. although the current Dms and GMS might not think that they will do it. someone is bound to slip up. its part of human nature.  O:)

currently b4 is getting owned by people while i (having no good items) take 3 weeks to level to 37 (which i did today yaay)

took me at least 2 years to get _person_ to lvl 110 :p Partially because I have several alts and spend spend a lot of time socializing and selling/buying/helping low-level players.

One of the advantages of a DM-run Raid vs. a ready made dungeon is the DM can adjust the raid to the strength of the players fighting.  Players winning? ... just create another 20 or 200 mobs!  Players loosing? ... well, good just create another 20 or 200 mobs!

Of course, for that reason, they are harder to plan and organise ...