Ok, i have now a little better view to this.

As i said before, on all the priest class scrolls there is a check
- first for the devine prayer skill
- and second for the deity
It looked also that on deity check my scroll is gone?

check is in spell_util.c line 606, we could allow scrolls there?
        /* if it a prayer, grab the players god - if we have non, we can't cast - except potions */
        if ((spells[type].flags & SPELL_DESC_WIS) &&
            item != spellPotion &&
            (godname = determine_god(op)) == shstr_cons.none)
        {
            ndi(NDI_UNIQUE, 0, op, "You need a deity to cast a prayer!");
            return 0;
        }

For new players this is always a shout. "Why can't i use minor healing scroll?"
Looks like scrolls and balms are both without cooldown blockings.

Minor healing spell is very low healing. Formula is here, spell_effect.c line 245

heal = RANDOM_ROLL(level / 2, (level + 3) / 4 * 3) + 5;
/* give bonus or malus to damage depending on if the player/mob is attuned/repelled to that spell path */
heal = (int)(heal * (double)(PATH_DMG_MULT(op, find_spell(spell_type))));

So healing effect is very limited, but it's recastable very fast. Do we allow scrolls for all players, also new players without dp skill and without deity? Do we try higher healing spells. I don't know what damage high level monsters can inflict? But i think they go higher then 100+/- heal. I have seen your rage skill uses a logic to reducing life. We can also try this logic inverted for a heal over time spell? Do we want the same multispam for healing spells, like op food spam? I think some better healing spells, perhaps with higher cooldowns would be interesting? 

So healing effect is very limited, but it's recastable very fast. Do we allow scrolls for all players, also new players without dp skill and without deity? Do we try higher healing spells. I don't know what damage high level monsters can inflict? But i think they go higher then 100+/- heal

Yep the evil boss I'm camping atm can hit me up to 850 ish.

When you fight linked mobs you also can lose HP very fast if you are victim of a huge combo.

But I like MH as it is like now.  It's part of the fun to have to run and avoid further hits during like 5-8seconds, being chased by 15 raas and/or 7 loms, until you have healed enough to fight again 

I prefer to have to fight and run to save my life, than save my life then run to wait a long cooldown.

It would certainly make sense that a true priest class could benefit from a Major Healing spell

I like discussing. There is a game. They have a priest class and lots of cool spells on a life path. They have monsters poisoning, level draining, depleting players. Yeah till here that sounds good. Then they have a warrior class, melee and ranged weapons and a mage class. Ey you know, where i talking about? These poor other classes are not allowed to touch the altar of tabernackle before they join the priest class and do a quest? The tabernackle says no, i only grant you my power when you joined once the priest class, do the quest and then you can leave guild?

No, really that's nonsense. I tell you another story. Somewhere far away, their is this village. Most of them are priests or battle priest. And yeah somehow they made it to bind their spellpowers in healing balsams, but they failed at writing this spells to scrolls? Ah no, in my story they can write to spells and also sell these spells all over the world to the heros, who fight against the demons. And guildless and godless players can invoke these scrolls. And some of them say, wow these are mighty and good spells, i want to learn these spells too. I will become a mighty priest. And this is another reason, the priests do this and the tabernackle grant there healing to all who fight for the good.

But if somewhere outside uses dark magic, this goes more and more bad. It's like the 6 elements. Life, Death, Fire, Water, Earth, Wind. Some of them are against each other.

So if a player invokes a healing scroll and he is neutral he gain a normal healing in relation to the scroll level. If he is follower of the tackernackle he gain a bonus and if he had practiced a lot of life spells, his spells become more and more mighty. The last thing is more for spells, like a counter which atune your path more and more to life, or to fire or to earth.

And if a really bad guy invokes a spell of minor healing, perhaps touched a dark shrine of a dark god, this scroll don't say, no you can't, go first become a priest, make the quest, touch the shrine. No instead it will smite the unworthy caster to try to invoke a healing scroll. 

And if you still say no, i will go and build balsam of cure poison and balsam of restoration. 

The only point I agree on is that the Divine Prayers skill (required to use an altar) need not be blocked by a quest.

One does not need to be a member of the priest guild to have a deity. Once you complete the quest (which does not require you to be in the guild, though the UI isn't well done in that script so it may seem that way [see footnote]) you can leave the guild (if you're in it) and go be a warrior/mage/etc. At any point after getting the DP skill you can apply an altar, and that's all you need to use scrolls.

I also believe this requirement should be extended to all MD's (though as stated previously I don't like some of the ones we have at all, but I've been outvoted there).

Regarding deity-specific effects: The issue here is that the game is coded (and the lore supports) players having a choice of multiple deities. There are a few different ways we can eventually implement this, but in any case the question becomes - which deity will help the faithless user?


[footnote] I tested this in-game. Endar does allow you to do his quest and learn Divine Prayers without being in the guild. But the "quest" keyword is missing the ^hypertext^. The quest can still be accessed by hitting Backspace and typing "quest" or "accept quest" or you could bind either of those to a key.

I'll be adding the hypertext markers in a few minutes.

I tell you another story.
New player found his first scroll, he thinks wow, this could be usefull, when i am close to dead.
Then he learned to put this scroll on hotkeys and you know what happens? In fight he suddenly is close to dead, he presses his hotkey and *poof*. No healing instead something about missing devine prayer skill or you have no deity?
So from here it's always a shout:
How do i get devine prayer? How do i get a deity? How can i cast a scroll?
And we have discussion again, same problem again and again.

And then there is this balsam, as i said above chereth now sails balms of minor healing. 

So if you really want to keep that logic, we should improve the early npc's teaching this logic.

So fanrir teaches the basic interface, cashin the basics in ph and agiltity, chereth can give some information about scrolls and balms and deity and devine prayer and jahrlen can give some information about spells and magic devives. I try to implement some more topics in there.

We can also remove prayers from scrolls? So scrolls is for mage spells and balms is for priest prayers? But we have also restoration on a staff. Is this staff also limited to dp and deity? I must check this. 

Actually the Major Healing spell isn't really the issue but more the way it's coded. Basically there are only 2 variables (excluding RNG) used to calculate the damage or heal for any spell/prayer. They are level of skill and attunements

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Logically you would expect that the wisdom stat would affect it along with an extra stat(s) to mirror damage for melee weapons.

Very true. Instead of create another prayer, it's indeed far better to make Minor Healing and CLW be scaled by WIS (main stat) + CHA (extra stat).

Here is an example of formula  I'm just throwing (it would certainly require some more thoughts) : add   max(0,WIS+0.5xCHA-20)  to minor healing.

With best priest gear I have something like 47 WIS and 27 CHA. It would give me a 40ish hp bonus at each heal, which is very reasonable for the best gear you can find. A beginner with, let's say 12/12, would get nothing.

Sure atm CHA is intended for better refund at shop, but it's somehow broken : even with 40ish CHA I got only a very small bonus. That idea would be a nice way to recycle CHA.