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Author Topic:  Grumble  (Read 4131 times)

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Ladydiana

« on: 31, July 2010, 23:26:29 »
Okay, look.

This kind of crap (springing a mandatory "your account won't work" update on people without announcing it in advance generally ****** me right off.

Couple that with you making it somewhat difficult to reclaim the character is even more crap.

But what is absolutely beyond the pale is making it so I CANNOT PLAY THE GAME AT ALL.  Have you completely lost your mind??? I am TRAPPED in my apartment.  I cannot leave the apartment, or I get killed.

Why didn't you just delete my character entirely, if you intended to kick me out of the game?  If you didn't intend to kick me out of the game, why did you make it completely unplayable?

Falciron

« Reply #1 on: 01, August 2010, 00:06:38 »
Ladydiana, I'm a bit confused as to the first bit, but I'll try my best to help explain things.

The reclamation process that's happening on the dev server is meant to be a test of the process - if you find it confusing, you can have someone lead you through it (I'd be more than willing to help), or post what problems you're having and the developers will certainly take your reaction into account. Nothing on the dev server is ever permanent, so don't worry too much about characters being deleted there.

Now for the second bit - you logged in at quite possibly the worst time you could. Longir was in the middle of perfecting the raid architecture (all of the aggroed mobs and NPCs are part of the raid) and hadn't yet put up the safe exit portals in the apartment lobby that are now in place. We certainly didn't mean to make the game unplayable for you and hope that you can bear with us as this raid continues.
"Chain-mail isn't much defense against an arrow. It certainly isn't when the arrow is being aimed between your eyes." -Terry Pratchett

longir

« Reply #2 on: 01, August 2010, 00:19:37 »
I have fixed that, I forgot that part, sorry.  come out of your apt and use the green exit to get to montibow area
DM
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Mostly retired from playing

Ladydiana

« Reply #3 on: 01, August 2010, 02:53:31 »
I did not have a forum account, and did not *want* a forum account.  I could not reclaim my character until I created a forum account, because it told me the character belonged to someone else (it belongs to me).  I don't want to read forums. I want to play a game.

Which I cannot do, because I'm entirely too weak to deal with the Stoneglow guards who kill me in one shot, and even teleporting to Montibow isn't all that good of an answer because it's difficult to impossible to navigate the terrain there, I don't know my way around, and everything *except* the mugwumps kills me.  I would be perfectly happy to go back to Stonehaven village and play, except I CAN'T

All your level 110 characters are laughing it up and having a great time and talking about how much fun this is, and yes, I think it is necessary that your higher level characters have fun.

However, if it weren't for the fact that there are things on my character which do not belong to me, I flat would have quit the game.  And now I'm being told that it's going to remain like this until the raid is over.

Judging by the fact that it's 8 pm on a Saturday night and there are TWO people logged in right now, quite frankly it's quite apparent that I'm not the only one hacked off.

Could you possibly have made this environment any more unwelcoming?

longir

« Reply #4 on: 01, August 2010, 02:55:39 »
if you come in now, I'll summon you to SH.
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Anich

« Reply #5 on: 01, August 2010, 05:39:00 »
Assuming this is dev server- as it is suited for developers/testers (hence the name, "Dev") Ladydiana you would feel a lot more welcome playing on Main server. Which is less volatile and meant for the casual player.

Of course if you wish to continue playing on dev- go for it. But expect usual crashes, restarts, cruel experiments and an inconsistent gameworld- unfit for real gaming IMO!
Some of you may remember me in-game as Stcrisis.

_people_

« Reply #6 on: 01, August 2010, 05:50:24 »
She wasn't on Dev. She didn't like the raids on main.
-- _people_ :)

ThePlaneskeeper

« Reply #7 on: 01, August 2010, 06:03:40 »
We should be a bit more careful of this.  Raids are fine, but there needs to be a safe-haven to the apartments and/or SH.  If we are doing a map swap, perhaps put a cage around these two spots with a portal to-from these locations and to just outside these locations until we can perfect the art of live raids.  (a better solution would be to allow multiple different entry/exit points for apartments, with one in SH)

Anich

« Reply #8 on: 01, August 2010, 08:33:50 »
Ah ok.
Some of you may remember me in-game as Stcrisis.

myths

« Reply #9 on: 01, August 2010, 10:27:34 »
I agree with TPK. I personaly love raids and there is even a certain logic that Moroch would raid the last remaining towns of his hated foes...but for those who do not a raid only area or raids out of town may be necessary so those who do not wish to participate can freely go about their business in town.
I believe it is possible for a DM to use a feature to create a 'pocket plane' of the town where each perticipant would be but it is not the actual town. Please correct me if I am wong but I think the player gets a message 'Your surroundings are strangely familiar but different.' Or something like this when the DM does this.
Finally LadyD this is a Beta game and evolving, there will always change and not always to our persoanl liking. That is why it IS IN FACT necessary to check the forums where this is information is held in advance. If you make the choice to ignore the forums then don't complain to use your words, 'that springing a mandatory....' is forced on you. This information is posted and is never a surprise. Whatever faults the Devs have communication is not one of them.
As usual love you all,
Myths
My retirement approaches...like the Grim Reaper

Ladydiana

« Reply #10 on: 01, August 2010, 12:23:19 »
Just a couple of points of clarification, lest all of you think I'm a raving shrew for reasons that aren't *entirely* justified. ;)

I don't have a problem with the raids.  The players who were in them were having a bang-up time.  I'm all for that.  Frankly, I've been part of a game where the end-of-game gameplay offered nothing to the veteran players, and that SUCKS.  What I'm not happy about is the fact that I was *literally* not able to get out of my apartment without being slaughtered.  As was already pointed out, when I signed on, there was only the one portal; I walked out of my apartment and died.  A player was running by, and I assumed he'd killed me on accident, thought nothing of it (not even to get upset; I didn't think the guy held anything against me other than I happened to step in his path at a bad time), and exited my apartment again, and again went out the only portal that was there.  And died. WTF?  Frankly, I wouldn't give a fig if the raids went on for the next week, month, or ten years.  I would, however, like to be able to play, and was told initially that it would be over in a few days and to come back then.  It's my weekend, too, and I wanted to play.  The situation I was in left the game completely unplayable for me.  I would have been perfectly happy to play the game in Stonehaven Village until I was strong enough to participate in the raids.  The problem was, I had absolutely no means of doing so.

I think a lot of y'all came on after the change to the Stoneglow apartments was made, where there were 3 portals (one purple into/out of the apartments, one purple one into Stoneglow village, and one purplish-green thing  to Montibow).  And a steel wall to prevent you from *walking* outside.  When I posted that, the ONLY portal that existed was the one into/out of the apartments.  And no wall.  Can I get a *shred* of credit back?  ;)  Just one!  A TINY one!  (Parmesan cheese sized, even!)

As far as the forums go, I am well aware that the forum is an information dissemination point.  I figured out how to upgrade the client, didn't I?   ;)  But the post about it said what amounted to "I'm taking the servers down, I'll tell you more later", then "Okay they're up, here's how to log in".  Only those login instructions didn't work for me, *because* I didn't have a forum account.  It's possible to read the forum without posting to it (again, I upgraded the client), or creating an account for it.  However, it was not possible for me to reclaim my character without one.  And THAT irritated me, and I think I'm justified in that irritation.  I was perfectly happy to let that lie, though, as my own personal misanthropic bitchiness, up until the part where I was trapped in my cheapo apartment.

And yes, I was on the main server.  I don't possess the time to beta test (beyond what I'm doing on the main server; I'm aware this is open source and in development, and if I found a glitch I would find or fabricate a means to report it.  I just hadn't happened to find any.  I DO wish the Wiki was better updated, but that's not a development issue, that's a technical writer issue), and I don't possess the knowledge to be a developer.  (In the past six months, my command of *nix has climbed from two commands to about six!  WOO!  But I am Hell On Wheels with those six commands!!!!  *galactic eyeroll at self*)

Now, to Longir's credit, he did get me the blazes out of there nearly immediately, and he helped me out immensely.  And I had a BLAST playing after that, after I was able to get around.  I'm not entirely sure I should've ended up in Bebeniss (or however it's spelled), but that's hardly Longir's fault (or anyone's but my own).

Needless to say, I agree with "safe haven for those who don't wish to participate in raid" (or whatever).  ::)

grommit

« Reply #11 on: 01, August 2010, 12:40:27 »
Well, I for one haven't a clue what Ladydiana is going on about. The wipe/character reclaim business hasn't happened on main yet - only on Dev.

smacky

« Reply #12 on: 01, August 2010, 12:48:21 »
Just a couple of points of clarification, lest all of you think I'm a raving shrew for reasons that aren't *entirely* justified. ;)

Nice save. :)

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But the post about it said what amounted to "I'm taking the servers down, I'll tell you more later", then "Okay they're up, here's how to log in".  Only those login instructions didn't work for me, *because* I didn't have a forum account.  It's possible to read the forum without posting to it (again, I upgraded the client), or creating an account for it.  However, it was not possible for me to reclaim my character without one.  And THAT irritated me, and I think I'm justified in that irritation.

No, that's not correct.

A game account and a site account are separate (currently), as I think was implied in that post.

Also, originally that thread was posted in the Dev server forum (which I think must have been where you first read it else surely you would never have bothered with it as I have not taken down the main server (yet).

I can see where the confusion came though.

Well things will be a bit topsy-turvy for the next day or three still but then should settle down again.

So keep having fun and don't get too upset if everything doesn't go your way over the next little while. It's all for the good in the end. :)

grommit

« Reply #13 on: 01, August 2010, 12:50:50 »
See - I told you you shouldn't have moved that Dev server thread to Gameservers (if that's what caused this rant).

Falciron

« Reply #14 on: 01, August 2010, 16:17:34 »
This is the only sentence in the 'Change is Afoot' thread that mentioned associating the in-game account with a forum account. The clarifier at the end should have done the trick.
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So log in to (or create) an account. It would be best to create one with the same name as you have on the site, but this is not necessary while game and site accounts remain separate. - Smacky
"Chain-mail isn't much defense against an arrow. It certainly isn't when the arrow is being aimed between your eyes." -Terry Pratchett

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